Comments for RBDevZone http://www.rbdevzone.com The REALbasic Resource Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:23:13 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on UltraUpdater 1.0 Now Available by Thomas Tempelmann http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/03/ultraupdater-1-0-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-653 Thomas Tempelmann Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:23:13 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=405#comment-653 Good point about the misleading term "open source" - I should learn to say "source included". Good point about the misleading term “open source” – I should learn to say “source included”.

]]> Comment on UltraUpdater 1.0 Now Available by Paul Lefebvre http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/03/ultraupdater-1-0-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-650 Paul Lefebvre Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:55:15 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=405#comment-650 Hi Thomas, 1. No, it does not update in place like Sparkle does. I'm sure that is doable, but I didn't want to deal with permissions. 2. UltraUpdater doesn't remember when it last checked, but it ought to be easy enough for your code to handle that and then only call CheckForUpdates when necessary. 3. The update information is stored in the AppName.XML file on your server. It only contains a single place to list changes. You could certainly include multiple versions of changes there. It does not support multiple languages. 4. There is no built-in support for skipping a version. 5. There is no callback. The updater is entirely self-contained. 6. When you buy UltraUpdater, the source is included. So it is "open source" in that sense. But the source cannot be redistributed. 7. I doubt I'd be interested in tackling #1. The other items are all doable and might make sense for future versions. Hi Thomas,

1. No, it does not update in place like Sparkle does. I’m sure that is doable, but I didn’t want to deal with permissions.

2. UltraUpdater doesn’t remember when it last checked, but it ought to be easy enough for your code to handle that and then only call CheckForUpdates when necessary.

3. The update information is stored in the AppName.XML file on your server. It only contains a single place to list changes. You could certainly include multiple versions of changes there. It does not support multiple languages.

4. There is no built-in support for skipping a version.

5. There is no callback. The updater is entirely self-contained.

6. When you buy UltraUpdater, the source is included. So it is “open source” in that sense. But the source cannot be redistributed.

7. I doubt I’d be interested in tackling #1. The other items are all doable and might make sense for future versions.

]]> Comment on UltraUpdater 1.0 Now Available by Thomas Tempelmann http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/03/ultraupdater-1-0-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-649 Thomas Tempelmann Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:24:29 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=405#comment-649 before I'd buy it there are a few questions: - will it also handle updating my app, versus just downloading it and then letting the user take extra steps to update it? I'm thinking of sparkle here, which does it all in one go automatically - does it provide, like sparkle, ways to remember the last time it asked for an update, so that it would only ask once a day, for instance? - how do i actually specify the available update on my server? is it similar to sparkle, where i can list versions with info text, for different languages that get auto picked? - can an option be offered to skip a version? so that if the user chooses not to update, he won't be asked again next time the app checks again? - is there a callback that allows my own code decide whether an update or even an array of updates is to be presented to the user? - is it open or closed source? - can I get all this implemented if I pay more and wait a few weeks? before I’d buy it there are a few questions:
- will it also handle updating my app, versus just downloading it and then letting the user take extra steps to update it? I’m thinking of sparkle here, which does it all in one go automatically
- does it provide, like sparkle, ways to remember the last time it asked for an update, so that it would only ask once a day, for instance?
- how do i actually specify the available update on my server? is it similar to sparkle, where i can list versions with info text, for different languages that get auto picked?
- can an option be offered to skip a version? so that if the user chooses not to update, he won’t be asked again next time the app checks again?
- is there a callback that allows my own code decide whether an update or even an array of updates is to be presented to the user?
- is it open or closed source?
- can I get all this implemented if I pay more and wait a few weeks?

]]> Comment on REAL Studio: About the Name Change by Paul Lefebvre http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/02/real-studio-about-the-name-change/comment-page-1/#comment-585 Paul Lefebvre Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:45:50 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=372#comment-585 @Thomas: I fixed the chart error and other typos. A bundle with Macs, PCs and Linux likely won't happen but it would be cool. I thought Ubuntu does bundle some closed-source software (like Flash), but I could be wrong about that. I don't use it much. Macs used to come with free games and utilities, but I don't know if they still do. I got Comic Life, GraphicConverter and Nanosaur included with an iMac purchased a while ago. RS does still offer the Linux version for free if you're doing open-source development, but I also wonder why that changed. @Thomas: I fixed the chart error and other typos.

A bundle with Macs, PCs and Linux likely won’t happen but it would be cool. I thought Ubuntu does bundle some closed-source software (like Flash), but I could be wrong about that. I don’t use it much.

Macs used to come with free games and utilities, but I don’t know if they still do. I got Comic Life, GraphicConverter and Nanosaur included with an iMac purchased a while ago.

RS does still offer the Linux version for free if you’re doing open-source development, but I also wonder why that changed.

]]> Comment on REAL Studio: About the Name Change by Thomas Tempelmann http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/02/real-studio-about-the-name-change/comment-page-1/#comment-584 Thomas Tempelmann Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:40 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=372#comment-584 I agree that RS should make more of an effort to convince people that RB is a viable dev system, e.g. by offering a free version that can only run in the IDE/debugger. The thought of having it bundled with Macs, PCs and Linux is utopical, though - this won't ever happen. Linux distros won't bundle anything closed-source, and Apple won't bundle it either, just as they do not bundle many other "nice to have" apps. And RB is only a niche marked compared to the "iLife" type apps Apple likes to bundle, anyway. But I hope RS (Geoff) reads your article and that you give me some encouragement to dare releasing a free version. I would also like to know why RS is not offering a free Linux version any more. Did they find that no one wants it, anyway, or did they find that it damages their business? I agree that RS should make more of an effort to convince people that RB is a viable dev system, e.g. by offering a free version that can only run in the IDE/debugger.

The thought of having it bundled with Macs, PCs and Linux is utopical, though – this won’t ever happen. Linux distros won’t bundle anything closed-source, and Apple won’t bundle it either, just as they do not bundle many other “nice to have” apps. And RB is only a niche marked compared to the “iLife” type apps Apple likes to bundle, anyway.

But I hope RS (Geoff) reads your article and that you give me some encouragement to dare releasing a free version.

I would also like to know why RS is not offering a free Linux version any more. Did they find that no one wants it, anyway, or did they find that it damages their business?

]]> Comment on REAL Studio: About the Name Change by Thomas Tempelmann http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/02/real-studio-about-the-name-change/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Thomas Tempelmann Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:14:09 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=372#comment-583 Is that correct that the Pro version is now called Personal? Is that correct that the Pro version is now called Personal?

]]> Comment on Switching the Build Application Shortcut by Paul Lefebvre http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/02/switching-the-build-application-shortcut/comment-page-1/#comment-582 Paul Lefebvre Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:49:15 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=368#comment-582 You're right. Although it does appear that the name change to REAL Studio did confuse things for me. My shortcut for REALbasic 2009 Release 5.1 stopped working with REAL Studio 2010 Release 1. I mistakenly attributed this to the app name rather than an apparent change to the bundle identifier. You’re right. Although it does appear that the name change to REAL Studio did confuse things for me.

My shortcut for REALbasic 2009 Release 5.1 stopped working with REAL Studio 2010 Release 1. I mistakenly attributed this to the app name rather than an apparent change to the bundle identifier.

]]> Comment on Switching the Build Application Shortcut by Thomas Tempelmann http://www.rbdevzone.com/2010/02/switching-the-build-application-shortcut/comment-page-1/#comment-581 Thomas Tempelmann Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:35:37 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=368#comment-581 Since OS 10.5 I've been using this to change several shortcuts in the RB IDE, such as for stepping during debugging. And I never had to update them if I installed a new RB version. Apparently, the features does NOT store the app's name but instead uses the app's bundle ID, which doesn't change. In the 10.6.2's kbd settings panel I can even see that it does not refer to the IDE's app name but to "com.realsoftware.realstudio" - which is probably a little bug in the new IDE as to not store the App name in it properly. Since OS 10.5 I’ve been using this to change several shortcuts in the RB IDE, such as for stepping during debugging. And I never had to update them if I installed a new RB version. Apparently, the features does NOT store the app’s name but instead uses the app’s bundle ID, which doesn’t change. In the 10.6.2’s kbd settings panel I can even see that it does not refer to the IDE’s app name but to “com.realsoftware.realstudio” – which is probably a little bug in the new IDE as to not store the App name in it properly.

]]> Comment on RBDevZone Podcast #3: Paul’s Favorite REALbasic Tools by Steve http://www.rbdevzone.com/2009/11/rbdevzone-podcast-3-pauls-favorite-realbasic-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-525 Steve Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:49:50 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=351#comment-525 Can you post show notes with links for all of the tools mentioned? Can you post show notes with links for all of the tools mentioned?

]]> Comment on RBDevZone Podcast #3: Paul’s Favorite REALbasic Tools by Paul Lefebvre http://www.rbdevzone.com/2009/11/rbdevzone-podcast-3-pauls-favorite-realbasic-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-408 Paul Lefebvre Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:36:51 +0000 http://www.rbdevzone.com/?p=351#comment-408 Sorry, Thomas. I don't mention Arbed. I do mention your Zip Package, though! Sorry, Thomas. I don’t mention Arbed. I do mention your Zip Package, though!

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